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Think about it, do

Philip Johnston, Daily Telegraph, comments on the Queen’s Speech and in particular the intentions where immigration is concerned, querying why landlords have to police our borders. Johnston ends his article querying whether we are seeing legislation used, not for the first time, as a political signal rather than a practical measure that will make a real difference?

At the recent local elections we saw a rise in the Ukip vote resulting, so I read, in that party coming either first or second in 55% of the seats in which they stood. Those voting did so, it would seem, because of Ukip’s stance on immigration, yet seem to realise not that there is nothing those newly elected Ukip councillors can do, nor can any government, to resolve the problems caused by immigration to our society and services while we remain a member of the European Union and are subject to and abide by rulings from the ECHR.

Consequently I am a tad bemused that a journalist poses a question to which the answer is obvious, coupled with the fact voters obviously do not understand that about which they vote. Another subject of bemusement is that when polled about their concerns we are told that at the head of the list is immigration – with that of the EU coming way down the list.

Weird,

Update: Confirmation of the point about concerns: immigration vs Europe

 

Comments on events of May 2nd, 2013

So, thankfully, the council elections for England and Wales are done and dusted, not that that will cease the incessant political bombardment of their message; especially those of excuse for their dismal performance – bar Ukip of course, although excessive “crowing” can become just as unpalatable.

Little noticed by commentators, from what I have read and heard , is that the biggest losers appear to be not the Conservative party, but the Labour party who failed to achieve even reclaiming the number of seats they lost in 2009. This leaves MilibandE with a bit of a dilemma, bearing in mind this “One Nation” putsch and current philosophy – and one wonders how many political commentators, over the weekend, will notice this when penning their articles.

When one considers the accusations that I – and others – have made about the lack of local democracy and its inherent shortcomings; coupled with the criticisms of democracy per se in this country, a comment by @MisanthropeGirl, on twitter, is worthy of repetition:

“I see that various tribe members are up and about this morning celebrating or bemoaning which rosette the state jackboot now wears.”

A brilliant comment which sums up the farce that the result of these local elections have produced!

If one believes in true democracy, that comment sums up in a nutshell why, yet again, we have had public money spent on an exercise which, had the electorate been asked, they would probably not have sanctioned – assuming of course that they had the nous to know why.

But pause for one moment: Ukip made no secret of the fact that their local manifesto was based on the effect of the EU, immigration and the subsequent effect on the minimum wage caused by immigration. This was most obvious in Lincolnshire and notably Boston, exemplified by an interview on the BBC where one member of the public was asked for his views on why Ukip did so well; at which point the interviewee responded: “Just look around you”.

That the electorate can believe that electing a candidate to local government who mirrors their fears can alter the situation in their local area can but show how little the electorate understand about local government, national government and “effects Brussels”.

 This, what may be termed a “criticism” of Ukip, is not to decry their achievements; however it does show that in one way they are no better than those they oppose, namely that they ply on the ignorance of those from whom they ask for votes.

Until such time as a debate can be started amongst the people about what democracy is and what it should mean, nothing will change – and it is that debate that the Harrogate Declaration is attempting to start with the Six Demands that they are promoting.

Think about it, do.

Local elections – why do we vote?

Twitter has today been inundated with Conservative MPs and supporters tweeting that the electorate should vote Conservative in order to keep down Council Tax charges and highlighting those councils that have not raised CT charges for 2/3 years. Labour and LibDem “supporters” have been noticeable by their relative absence – into which one can read what one will.

How many of the electorate actually read this, or even realise that the events contained therein happen? How many of the electorate know that what has happened in Surrey goes on elsewhere? How many of the electorate actually understand how local government – I use the term loosely – operates today? How many of the electorate know that local democracy is but a sham?

Dan Hodges, Daily Telegraph – and a Blairite – has a quite satirical piece on the Telegraph blogsite which demonstrates how political parties manipulate our democracy for their own ends. But is that to which Hodges alludes, not that which the Conservative twitterati are doing – manipulating public opinion?

If the electorate are being manipulated, just where is democracy left? Just where, in the decisions that local government will take when they implement diktats handed down by central government, will the people have a voice, or method of stopping that with which they disagree?

Voting in elections, whether local or national, is ultimately meaningless. All that happens is that the same suits remain but gain a different face while “life” continues unchanged. Today, for the first time in three years, I did not spoil my ballot paper but voted for the Ukip candidate. I did so knowing that nothing will change even if he was elected – I did so in the hope that I will be joined by sufficient numbers whereby he will be elected and whereby a message will be sent to the current political class that I am totally fed up with them and their crooked, unprincipled and undemocratic ways.

While the current system of democracy rules, I may as well have saved my time and effort! Leopards may change their spots, but their underlying colour – be it blue, red, yellow or purple – does not.

 

No, Nick, No – and other matters

Nick Robinson, BBC, has an article on their website in which he maintains that the local elections tomorrow, like national elections, matter. Forgive me, but FFS, how can elections matter in a democracy when democracy per se in that country is non-existent? Robinson ends his piece by saying that someone once said all politics is local (that was Tip O’Neill) – but Robinson misses the point of quoting this as there is no local politcs; what electors are voting for tomorrow is to decide which set of puppets get to impose the diktats issued by central government.

Isabel Hardman, on the Speccie website is reporting that the Conservative Party are issuing “spoof” leaflets in Ukip colours and fonts that denegrate the Ukip message. One has to ask whether this falls foul of the laws governing misrepresentation – an interesting question for the legal eagles amongst my readers. Her other point about the failure of the Conservative Party deciding on a strategy to deal with the Ukip threat is well made – however she forgets to recognise that we are dealing with the thought processes of politicians here……

That political commentators appear to have missed that which is under their noses is illustrated by a good article on bogpaper.com, one in which the obvious is stated – that the electorate in general are fed up with the three main parties and it is intending to give them a good kicking. That what those intending to provide the good kicking hope that those they are voting for will be able to change – God only knows. Other than minor matters - like saving £6,000 cleaning loos - just what can local councillors do when they are but the means by which central government diktats are implemented?

What we will be witnessing tomorrow is but a charade of democracy. It means nothing and is therefore meaningless.

Cry me a river

“Now you say you’re lonely You cried the long night through Well, you can cry me a river, cry me a river I cried a river over you
Now you say you’re sorry For being so untrue Well, you can cry me a river, cry me a river I cried, cried, cried a river over you”

Exhibit 1: George Eustice is unhappy with the constrains on political advertising.

Exhibit 2: Anna Soubry is a tad unhappy that: “I barely see my children, my partner gets pickled off because he doesn’t see me. I work seven days a week, 12 hours a day and I am not exaggerating. I do not have a day off,”

Nigel Farage repeats the same old complaints and jokes.

So George Eustice believes it is right that decisions about where to allow political advertising in Britain should be a matter for our own national Parliament. Why such a minor matter should bother Eustice when he is part of the body that has ceded just about every other aspect of Parliamentary duty, bothers me somewhat. In any event is it not our choice what parliamentary advertising is to be permitted, how often and how long each pack of lies should last? This entire charade of parliamedntary democracy costs us over £10million a year – and if that does not give us the right, then what does?

Anna Soubry can wail all she likes – she chose to enter politics, she accepted the promotion to ministerial rank, did she not consider the downside where her family life is concerned? Perhaps if she was not part of a political system that believes nothing can function without the finger of central government in the mix, just perhaps her workload would not be so great?

Michael White found Farage’s speech at the press gallery lunch a fascinating experience – well, attend another event where Farage is the speaker and he will hear the same grievances and jokes. The comment at the beginning of White’s piece about Farage having missed a trick is one that I and others have been making for some time – namely a lack of “gravitas”, a lack of detail about policy funding in a manifesto, which like any other, is worded in extremely loose fashion. As I wrote on 23rd March this year;

“so a question to my Ukip readers: Why has the page: “Constitution Ukip policy 2009 – How we are governed”” disappeared” (“404″ results)? Even clicking on “Manifesto” does not produce any policy about our constitution. From memory this document promised referenda on “selected” or “certain” matters (apols, can’t recall the exact wording); but selected or certain were not specified. Why will Ukip, which professes to be a Libertarian party, not adopt the principles of direct democracy – sorry, rhetorical question, because like all present political parties they wish to retain their power over we the people. Were a miracle to happen and Ukip formed a government, where the matter of our system of democracy is concerned – and the deficits contained therein, we are back to the age-old adage: plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.”

It is still noticeable by its absence – and no answer have I ever received. See what I mean about loosely-worded manifestos? Just on what “selected” or “certain” matters would Ukip allow us a referendum? Or has this policy been dropped?

Is it any wonder that we, the people, “cry rivers” over the standard of our politicians and our system of democracy? When Farage said that you can’t put a cigarette paper between the Lib/Lab/Con he omitted to include Ukip. All four parties believe in representative democracy and consequently all will continue to hound us, direct us, control us – so as I wrote above: “plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.”

Klein Verzat reports that the European Commission wants to impose on farmers and gardeners in the future the use of unit seed. Old and rare species have little chance of an approval, its cultivation is punishable by law – even if it takes place in the private garden – and ends his post with the words: “Can we leave now?”. Those four words are how I feel about our political class and system of democracy. I’m fed up “crying rivers”.

The keep talking about it……

…..but nothing seems to happen – what a surprise.

 The series of articles in the European media, all reporting that there is a call for a change in the method of government, continues with an article in La Republca by Nadia Urbanbati. As may be surmised from the title of the newspaper this article is mainly about the problems in Italy – but the problems mentioned; the crisis of parliamentary democracy and that in political parties. the dysfunctionality of its democratic methods – the agreements, the cross-party compromises, political parties are weak and getting weaker, that there is an erosion of legitimacy, and and an erosion of structures and leadership, together with credibility and authority as well are all also relevant to the problems experienced in the United Kingdom.

Why it is necessary to have someone with authority and authority in order to control his/her party and thus govern, escapes me. Why we need a group of people to order our lives and our country, also escapes me. I note that Richard North, EUReferendum, has had another “pop” at Nigel Farage and Ukip – justifiably so in that he and his party are but another believer in representative democracy, something not mentioned by him and it is a point that surprises me bearing in mind his similar belief in direct democracy. They are, however, the only “game in town” if the stranglehold of the Lib/Lab/Con are to be broken. The fact that he and they have not “thought through” that which they propose is a worrying problem; presumably the penny will drop with him and them in due course – but I digress.

What is also obvious is that besides the stranglehold the the Lib/Lab/Con appear to have on our nation and which needs to be broken, so too does that of the media who propagate that which is fed to them by their political and quango/ngo contacts. That is where the internet and Twitter can be used, via the Harrogate Declaration – more to follow on this, hopefully by the end of the week.

 

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Say one thing and do another

Today, Ed Miliband addressed the People’s Policy Forum in Birmingham (text here) and from which the first few words:

“I am delighted to be here today. This is a very special event. What today is about is doing politics in a different way. And doesn’t politics need it? Because I think we have to do politics in a different way. You can watch politicians trading blows in the House of Commons each week. Sometimes I enjoy it and sometimes I don’t. But it’s not necessarily very enlightening. We’ve got to take politics back to where it belongs: to you. So that’s why we’ve said: you set the agenda.”

He then continued by telling the audience what he intended to do, were he to become prime minister. Apparently the contradiction of what followed his opening remarks completely escaped him. After his speech there was a Q&A session with the audience and courtesy of John Rentoul on Twitter a lady with an American accent asked: “Why don;t you take back privatisation of gas, electricity and water?” – cue much applause. On querying EdM’s response with Rentoul the reply EdM gave was: “First, I’m not sure its the answer but, second, we won’t have the money to do it”. Being charitable to EdM one can only presume his reply was code for “HMV (Brussels), they say no!”.

Of course, if politicians did wish to enact that which they profess (which we know damn well they don’t) and take politic back to where it belongs – to we the people, thereby letting us set the agenda – then they would voluntarily adopt the principles of direct democracy. On this point, reader’s attention is drawn to John Redwood’s blog and a post today entitled “L’etat ce n’est pas moi”, from which the last paragraph:

“The big problem with western democracy is the tendency for politicians driving the state to spend and tax too much, damaging the freedom and independence of the people who have to support the state. I wish over the next few days to explore this paradox of freedom. Many people contributing to this blog will say “L’etat ce n’est pas moi”. They do not want the state to spend so much of their money, and disagree with many of its decisions. As we will see, they will however end up paying the bills if they stay in the country.”

Redwood’s attempt to explain what he terms a paradox of freedom should provide a rich vein for comment in the days to come. Interestingly, in the comments section one comment would appear to have adopted Demand #5 of the 6 Demands:

“The main problem most so called democracies have, seems to be the ability to borrow money on the peoples behalf.If the ability to borrow money was halted (other than in times of war to DEFEND the HOMELAND), then Governments would need to be more honest with their taxation and spending plans.At the moment we have a situation where the majority of the people attempt to be sensible with their own finances, only to find that their own financial budgets are cast to the winds by feckless politicians who always want more.Introduce Statute that no government can borrow money on the peoples behalf, and you not only go a good way to restoring the finances, but also returning to a proper more transparent democratic system of accountability.”

to which I have responded and, one could say, thrown down the gauntlet to John Redwood.

Today was also the Ukip Spring Conference, so a question to my Ukip readers: Why has the page: “Constitution Ukip policy 2009 – How we are governed”" disappeared” (“404″ results)? Even clicking on “Manifesto” does not produce any policy about our constitution. From memory this document promised referenda on “selected” or “certain” matters (apols, can recall the exact wording); but selected or certain were not specified. Why will Ukip, which professes to be a Libertarian party, not adopt the principles of direct democracy – sorry, rhetorical question, because like all present political parties they wish to retain their power over we the people. Were a miracle to happen and Ukip formed a government, where the matter of our system of democracy is concerned – and the deficits contained therein, we are back to the age-old adage: plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

It hardly needs pointing out that were just one political party to adopt the principles of direct democracy there will be no need for the people to, eventually, become so revolting…….

 

Further thoughts on Eastleigh and other matters

Unsurprisingly the media is, it could be said, awash with articles on Eastleigh, the “rise” of Ukip and the ramifications of that party’s result on the other three. We have Charles Moore (Telegraph); Jonathan Freedland (Guardian); Patrick Wintour (Guardian); Simon Heffer (Mail); and Lord Ashcroft with an Eastleigh exit poll. Had those journalists read Ashcroft’s findings, they may well have chosen to change that which they had written. Having said that, readers who follow the links will form their own opinion on those articles.

Ashcroft’s exit poll findings certainly present Farage and Ukip with a problem as, from those findings:

“Ten per cent of those who voted UKIP yesterday said they would probably vote Conservative in 2015. And to look at it from a different angle, ten per cent of those who told us they would vote Tory in 2015 also told us they had voted UKIP yesterday. One third of UKIP by-election voters said they did not yet know how they would vote at the general election. As with the Lib Dems, only 43% of UKIP by-election voters said they would probably party with the party.”

Ashcroft’s findings with regard to what “mattered” to the voters of Eastleigh is also informative with local issues to the fore, with the exception of Ukip where those matters were immigration and the EU. As I have stated previously, for local issues to become a feature in an election for a representative in Parliament is, to a certain extent, an irrelevance. Likewise for those voters who did not register that immigration and the EU are a factor, both locally and nationally, then it could be said that their votes were meaningless.

One point worth picking up is contained in the article by Patrick Wintour where he mentions that Farage and Ukip wish to support “direct democracy on the Swiss model where the signature of a given number of people on any issue may generate a plebiscite at national or local level”; while also pointing out that Farage sees nothing wrong with a notion of a postcode lottery in all sorts of things where one region enjoys privileges or disadvantages that others do not” and “local councils should be allowed to introduce smoking or restore hunting bans”. These views, Wintour writes, may well repel voters.

What Wintour fails to mention is that Farage and Ukip wish, like the other parties, to continue the system of representative democracy and it’s central control – witness Farage stating “local councils should be allowed…..”. Wintour also fails to make the point that it is impossible to mix elements of representative democracy with direct democracy – an attempt akin to mixing oil and water.

Purely a personal view, but I sense growing discontent among the public with not only the present system of democracy and its politics, but also a desire to have more control over their own lives. That discontent will surely grow and where there is discontent, it is logical to assume that those discontented will be more receptive to new ideas that address their discontent.

So, one has to ask, where is The Harrogate Agenda?

 

Political prostitution

Both Richard North, EUReferendum, and Autonomous Mind have commented on the latest fiasco that has beset Ukip. Within the comments forum on Richard North’s article is one suggestion that Andreasen is but another career politician – yet another, I venture to suggest, who, to paraphrase Groucho Marx, has principles but also has others that can be wheeled out depending on which way the wind is blowing.

How this latest event will affect Ukip’s chances in the Eastleigh by-election is anyone’s guess, especially when considering Michael Deacon’s article in the Telegraph. If, as Deacon writes, politicians are generally held in contempt then it is logical to expect that the turnout will be fairly low. He hits the nail on the head when pointing out that it is not that people don’t want to vote, it is that they have no-one for whom to vote who commands their respect. It is also logical to assume, therefore, that at the 2010 General Election just over one third of the electorate felt the same way.

In talking to people I find that, while they consider today’s politicians to be liars and frauds, there is a universal view that the present system of democracy and politics has an inherent flaw. Exactly what that flaw is, they are unsure – until, through questioning, I find it is the remoteness of politicians; that they resent being told how they must behave, how they must speak; they resent the dictatorial attitude adopted by political parties on achieving government; they resent the change in the demographics of their country; and most of all they resent the fact they have no control over their politicians, save at election time – to name just a few of the opinions offered.

A recurring refrain among those to whom I talk is:  “There must be a better way

Cue a new movement to change things?

Ukip or Independent?

Richard North, EUReferendum, picks up on what is misinformation on the Ukip website regarding the origin of Cameron’s same-sex marriage legislation.

Ironies Too also picks up on what is either misinformation, or being economical with the actualité, regarding Ukip’s candidate standing in the Eastleigh by-election.

Just mentioning………..

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