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Failure “big-time” on Question Time

Richard North, EUReferendum, mentions the pervasiveness of myth where the question of Norway and “fax-government” is concerned, reminding us that Roland Rudd was on the idiots’ lantern last night, sharing his ignorance about “fax law” with the Question Time audience.

The section of the programme dealing with this subject begins at 29:00, the questioner asking: “Countries such as Norway and Switzerland have thrived outside the European Union but still have strong trading links with other EU member countries. Should the UK follow suit?”. Roland Rudd, Caroline Flint and Mary Beard all repeated the line that Norway pays into the EU and has no say over what comes out of Brussels by way of legislation. Grant Shapps dodged the point completely and Nigel Farage just didn’t mention it.

Is it any wonder that lies/myths gain traction when, present on the panel, was the leader of a party to whom debunking of myth and laying bare the lies of the political class should be second nature? Was his brain not in gear when he came to respond or is it that he just doesn’t know?

Interestingly, the last two comments from the audience on this subject both made the same point, namely that to hold a referendum now would be nonsensical in that the public would be asked to make a decision about something of which they know not and that there should be an unbiased education programme about the pros and cons of EU membership prior to any referendum.

How can the public be educated when those who should be doing the education either spout blatant lies or, as in the case of one person on the panel, when the golden opportunity to correct a myth is gifted them promptly fail to grab the opportunity with both hands.

It is perhaps the time to turn back on Farage a comment he made many years ago and one which he is fond of repeating. Where standards of political debate are concerned, you can’t put a cigarette paper between any of our politicians – they all seem totally incompetent.

Home-grown EU madness

For one who would have us believe he is knowledgeable about ‘matters EU’, Daniel Hannan, time and time again, writes what can only be described as tosh and his latest article now gives the impression that he is going overboard on some form of ‘associate membership’. All one can say to Hannan is that if this article is the result of him having used his thought processes, perhaps in future he should save himself unnecessary further effort. Anyone who can write that neither Switzerland nor Norway have no voice in the framing of EU legislation doesn’t deserve a serious critique of his thoughts – and he won’t receive one on this occasion!

Hannan is one of those calling for a referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU, as is Farage who adds that he wants a ‘free and fair’ referendum, yet neither to my knowledge have addressed the question of the conditions under which any referendum might be held that would meet the demand of fairness. Among the conditions that would ensure a ‘fair’ referendum are, for example, matters such as equality of exposure in the media, limits on expenditure and the quantity of publicity material produced by each side.

What must be avoided, at all costs, is a repeat of the events which happened under Heath and Wilson whereby on each occasion, at varying stages of each referendum, the people were duped. Consider the stunt pulled by Harold Wilson to ensure his victory in the 1975 referendum. He pretended that he had achieved a “fundamental renegotiation” of the EU treaty. The government pamphlet recommending a “Yes” vote was headed “Britain’s New Deal in Europe”. All that had happened was that some minor changes were made to agricultural prices to reduce the catstrophic inflationary effects of the Common Agricultural Policy on the housewife and some extra concessions were achieved in quotas for things like New Zealand lamb and butter. Otherwise, not much else of significance. People often say they voted to join a Common Market – a free trade area. That was never the purpose of the EEC. The intention from the beginning was always political union by imperceptible, irreversible stages. Yet the impression given by the government leaflet certainly led people to think it was a free trade area we had joined. The leaflet refers ten times to the “European Community” or “the Community” but 34 times to “The Common Market” or “The Market”. The leaflet also promised that the British government and parliament would always have a veto on any new proposals to extend the power of Brussels.

Where being duped is concerned, it is worth recalling a paper produced by Eurofacts on 31st March 2000, one entitled: “How they swung it in the 70s”. This paper from Eurofacts contained excerpts from a transcript of the BBC Radio 4 programme, transmitted at 8.00 pm, Thursday 3rd February 2000, entitled “Document: A Letter to the Times”. This programme told the story of how opinion was swung in the early ’70s in favour of Britain entering the European Economic Community, including how the BBC and ITN news programmes were influenced to support the campaign for Europe. It also reveals that the European Movement and other organisations received substantial hidden funding from the CIA. Those excerpts are well worth re-reading and some of the points made, included:

  • Back at the start of the 1970s, the greatest issue of the day was whether Britain ought to become European…. and had you been scanning the correspondence columns of the Times you might have noticed a flood of letters in support of our application to join the EEC. A good many of those letters were stage managed on behalf of the then Conservative government.
  • Every week as Edward Heath’s government inched Britain towards Europe, Geoffrey Tucker, an advertising guru who helped to market the Conservative party, organised breakfasts for the political shakers and the media movers of the day. Journalists were there and captains of industry, editors too and television people.
  • Ernest Wistrich’s European Movement was the natural organisation to front the public campaign for Europe

From the excerpts:

“TUCKER: We decided to pinpoint the “Today” programme on radio and followed right through the news programmes during the day….the television programmes, “News at Ten”, “24 Hours” and “Panorama” and from radio “World at One” and “Woman’s Hour”. Nobbling is the name of the game. Throughout the period of the campaign, there should be direct day by day communication between the key communicators and our personnel e.g. Norman Reddaway at the FCO and Marshall Stewart of the Today programme. And in 1970 the Today programme was presented by Jack De Manio, who was terribly anti-European. We protested privately about this. Ian Trethowan listened and De Manio was replaced.

PRESENTER, CHRISTOPHER COOK: Ian Trethowan was then the Managing Director of BBC Radio and a known friend of Edward Heath’s. Another of Geoffrey Tucker’s guests was Lord Hattersley, a leading figure in the pro-European faction of the Labour party.

LORD HATTERSLEY: The one breakfast I went to was a very chummy affair. We were all fighting the European cause to the extent that some of the protagonists actually drew Ian Trethowan’s attention to broadcasters who they thought had been anti-European, and asked him to do something about it. Now I was so shocked that I decided I couldn’t go again. It sounds terribly prissy but it really did shock me at the time and, frankly, remembering it shocks me still.

SIR EDWARD HEATH (PRIME MINISTER 1970-1974): The support in public opinion polls steadily mounted until we got to the point of finally concluding negotiation and had just on 50 per cent support which was very considerable.

PRESENTER: How helpful was the European Movement?

HEATH: Very helpful. They worked very hard and they received funds from supporters which enabled them to publish their own literature as well as ours.

DR RICHARD ALDRICH (political historian) – on being asked what was the documentary evidence for the alleged CIA funding – I was absolutely astonished to discover that the library (George Town University in Washington) had the entire archive of a CIA front organisation which documents from start to finish funnelling millions of dollars into Europe, into Britain, with correspondence, for example, from British Labour MPs. The whole accounting structure of the European Movement was designed to hide the fact that CIA money was coming in.

HATTERSLEY: – on being asked for his comments  – All those years, all the Europeans would say “Let’s not risk trying to make fundamental changes by telling the whole truth, lets do it through public relations rather than real proselytising” and they were always inclined to “spin” the arguments rather than “expose” the arguments.

PRESENTER: And that clearly, in your view, was the wrong approach?

HATTERSLEY: Not only was it wrong for us to deal superficially with what Europe involved, but we’ve paid the price ever since because every time there’s a crisis in Europe, people say, with some justification, “ Well, we wouldn’t have been part of this if we had really known the implications. Joining the European Community did involve significant loss of sovereignty, but by telling the British people that was not involved, I think the rest of the argument was prejudiced for thirty years.”

Fraudsters who have pulled a trick once will continue to repeat that trick until they are exposed. Pressure is being exerted by the United States on Britain not to end their membership of the European Union and today we have the US State Department’s Philip H Gordon, the Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs ratcheting up the pressure even more; meaning no doubt that history will repeat itself and the fraudsters will repeat their trick once again by accepting yet more dollars to fund their efforts.

Years ago the function of the Foreign Office used to be to represent Britain abroad. It was said that an ambassador was an honest man, sent abroad to lie for the good of his country. Little known is that the Foreign Office now has a section called “EU (Internal)”, responsible to Mr Hague. Thomas Barry is the current Deputy Head Europe Directorate – Internal (appointed March 2011) among whose responsibilities is a team of twelve working to develop and deliver UK Government policy on European Union issues. We can be damn sure that part of that remit entails lying to the British people for the good of his paymaster.

In any event all this talk about a referendum is pointless – something which both Hannan and Farage should know full well, but give the appearance of not – as Richard North, EUReferendum, has just pointed out with this post. Politicians would have us believe they are not stupid, yet here we have two politicians who should know better calling for a referendum now, when they know damn well said referendum cannot and will not happen; coupled with a prime minister who states that he has no wish to leave an organisation whose aims and construct in 4 years time he knows not.

The world has truly been stood on its head.

Update: Calling England has kindly added to the excerpt above in the comments section with this link.

 

 

2012
12/04

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Why? Elementary, dear Goodman

Richard North, EUReferendum, posts on the latest uttering of one who is probably co-holder* of the title of the greatest publicity-seeker within our political class today.

Paul Goodman, Conservative Home, pens an article in which he asks why the mop-headed one signed the Better Off out pledge, if he is now so firmly against the pledge he signed – to which the answer must be that, like any politician, the mop-headed one can’t resist a bandwagon that is passing by – especially when it means publicity.

Just saying………

* Oh and the co-holder? Well, this chap (Sat 1 Dec) undoubtedly.

Sheep

The result of the 2010 general election left us with a government ‘cobbled together’ and then imposed on us by politicians; however, at least on that occasion we had a free choice of where to place our mark on the ballot paper. No longer, it would seem.

It now appears that two political parties, although both denying it, are discussing how they can assist each other come the 2015 general election. We have Fabricant, from the Conservative Party, proposing that in exchange for a EU referendum promise Ukip should agree not to stand against candidates of his party in constituencies where the Conservative candidate is not certain of victory; Nuttall, from Ukip, countering this by stating no deal is possible while Cameron remains leader; and Farage, leader of Ukip, hinting that a deal might be possible were Michael Gove to replace Cameron.

The fact that our democracy has descended to a point whereby a party with not one MP can attempt to dictate to a party with some the conditions of any agreement, while the latter party should feel it necessary to even propose that which they do; that both parties should even consider deciding whether there will even be a candidate for which their supporters will have an opportunity to vote, will hopefully not have escaped the notice of people.

This is not democracy; this is a few rabid, power-crazed collies discussing how, to their individual advantage, they can best herd the sheep.

Later today

Due out today (things to do and people to see) late afternoon or early evening comment will be passed on this (mentioned in a short post by Richard North, EUReferendum) this (most definitely!) and this.

Is EU fudge at an end?

David Cameron has held talks with Angela Merkel and when comparing this report with this report of a similar meeting in 2011 and this in 2010, it becomes obvious that Cameron’s intention of making change happen from within is working a treat (not).

Angela Merkel is on record as stating that those in a monetary union will have to move closer together; but that those countries must not stop because one or the other don’t want to come along just yet. She continued that more Europe was necessary; not only a monetary union, but also a so-called fiscal union, in other words more joint budget policy; and that what was needed most of all was a political union and that gradually it would be necessary give competencies to Europe and give Europe control.

If that is the intention – and it is reportedly on the agenda for the Heads of State meeting later this month – then Cameron has a wee problem. For a man who professes it necessary that this country is at the heart of Europe, within and fighting for change, who believes in being in Europe but not run by Europe, he is going to find himself cast to the fringes but left in Europe and most definitely ruled by Europe.

It appears from a BBC report that David Cameron is left baffled by EU diplomatic procedures; that poor decisions “imposed from above” were the cause of much of the EU’s problems; that the things that have worked have been when Europe has been built through collaboration, co-operation, by people (but omits to mention that the collaboration and co-operation has been imposed on people by the decisions of a few ‘select’ people); and that politicians are not actually standing back and asking: ‘What’s the right thing for the country in six months, in six years?’, maintaining that politicians have got to get the balance right (and should not those involved have a voice in what their lives will be like in six months or six years?). And the man can still maintain that membership of the EU is a good thing for our country and that he ‘governs’ our country?

Allister Heath, City AM, sums up the quandry Cameron faces most admirably and his second point is pertinent – the last thing Cameron wants is a referendum, which begs the question what ‘fudge’ will Cameron agree in order to continue his wish to be at the heart of Europe while avoiding what could well be his ‘Armageddon’? Likewise, Allister Heath’s comparison twixt Commonwealth GDP compared to that of the Eurozone is well made.

We now learn that, having mulled the question over for some weeks now, Labour is against a referendum because they do not think the time is right. To quote ‘He that is Ukip and Ukip is He‘, but in a different context, Just who the hell do these people think they are? Have not the problems our country has faced been the result of decisions taken by politicians – and have not the people then had to resolve those problems, in the process suffering hardship and sometimes loss of life?

Is it not time that what amounts to dictatorship – at home and abroad – was brought to an end? Is it not time that the people had a voice in what their lives may be like in six months or six years?  Is it not time that our political elite were reminded of the fate that awaited heretics in days gone by – after all, it is a well known fact the old ways are often the best. In all seriousness we don’t have to resort to burning at the stake, they can be ‘burnt’ in other ways. For example, when we have changed our system of democracy and re-written our Constitution, it can be decreed that no failed politician, be they local or national, can ever again hold any political or public service position – and possibly forfeit half their pension entitlement? (the latter just a thought……)

 

A Faragian pact

According to Dan Hodges, writing in the Daily Telegraph, Ukip are preparing to offer Tory MPs a Faragian pact at the next election, with the smaller party reportedly ready to stand down candidates against those embracing its slightly eccentric brand of Eurosceptic nationalism. At the last general election Ukip did indeed not stand candidates in certain constituencies, a decision which caused a sizeable number in the party to become extremely unhappy bunnies.

It may be that I exhibit the traits required in a politician by appearing a tad thick but, presuming that this “offer” is true, I fail to understand just what Farage hopes to gain. Just what is to stop any Conservative candidate making the sort of noise that pleases Farage, who then ‘stands-down’ his candidate, only for said Conservative candidate to turn round when elected and, in effect, stick his tongue out?

A number of decisions that Farage has made in the past have been questionable and this latest is no different – mind you, for a party that totally ‘cocked-up’ its campaign during the London Mayoral election this year, this latest does but join what is quite a long list of what may, in polite circles, be called a gaffe Gaffarage. Ukip are only polling an average of 9% at the moment, meaning the party is approximately 20% short of attaining one or more MPs and if the Buckingham campaign is any yardstick Ukip could poll 30% and still not get a single MP.

It may well be that I am totally wrong – but I would ask any of my readers: who among you is blessed with the ability to understand the logic of any decision made by a politician – because I am buggered if I can.

Just asking…………..

 

A different Sunday

Today is Sunday and it has been a lovely day, sunshine and a few clouds, meaning that quite a few people will have been outdoors, either in their garden or maybe taking a post-lunch walk, thankful that they are blessed to live in “This royal throne of kings, this scepter’d isle, This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars … This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.” – well, those of us who are English will anyway. As one not prone to excessive physical activity, who believes he was given two feet thus enabling him to walk to the car and back again, what better I thought than a ‘rant in the sun’. In reviewing the news today there is no better place to start than CallingEngland’sSunday Roundup, in which GV highlights stories that have caught her eye; and from whence the seeking of news can then proceed down other paths.

That our political class have, over decades, managed to turn this scepter’d isle, this blessed plot, into a present day version of hell on earth is plain for all to see. Currently we are plagued with financial ruin; social unrest; servitude inflicted on us at home and from abroad – all having been imposed on us by the dictatorial rule of three political parties twixt whom there is now little or no ideological difference. As Nigel Farage has intimated (he does talk sense now and again) this may have been caused by the fact that a majority of people enter politics for one of two reasons: to be somebody or to do something. What he did not say is that the problem is they become not – and do not. 

In an earlier post I wrote about the failure of politicians and the aftermath of actions they take resulting in their self-confessed need to listen and learn lessons – to which I omitted to add their commitment to various causes. We learn today that both Cameron and Clegg are committed to reform of the Lords, with the latter prepared to compromise on his demands in that area. The House of Lords is the upper chamber of Parliament and Parliament is part of our Constitution and the Constitution of this country belongs not to politicians, but to the people. So one has to ask what the hell are these two numpties doing, interfering in what is not their province?

Daily we see our British, Christian, culture either under attack or being undermined, mainly by those of the Muslim faith, aided and abetted by our political class through the latter’s incompetence and/or adherence to their misguided belief in multiculturalism and human rights. Peter Hitchens is quite correct in his article today when he writes of his belief that this island will be more or less Muslim within a century and that it will be the fault of this generation, coupled with the fact that it would be perfectly legitimate for a respectable, law-abiding and civilised political party to act now to prevent this. On the subject of Abu Qatada the Mail reports that the ECHR ‘tipped off’ Qatada’s legal team, coupled with the statement by Farron that Qatada should be put on a plane “as soon as possible”. The majority of statements made by politicians are but fatuous and Farron does not disappoint in that regard, he being after the proverbial soundbite in order to show his opposition to the ECHR   – a body to which he wishes us to belong.

It seems everybody has ‘rights’ these days, something illustrated by this article in the Mail on the massive increase in single women and lesbian couples receiving IVF treatment. In this article, one woman, Elizabeth Pearce, who unable to afford IVF after being made redundant from her job as a personal assistant, cited the European Convention on Human Rights to compel her local NHS trust in Ealing, West London, to pay for her treatment, treatment which cost £900. She maintained that single women have just as much right to a child as do couples – to which I would reply that I have just as much right to a Rolls Royce Phantom as do those that possess such a vehicle; the only problem is that I can’t afford one – but unlike Ms. Pearce I do not begrudge those that do, nor expect the state to provide one.

We have reached a situation today where any sense of individualism is frowned on and that what amounts to ‘standardisation’ or ‘collectivism’ is the path of righteousness – or so the political class would have us believe. As with the vast majority of political ideology this is but arrant nonsense as no two people are alike. One may admire certain attributes in another, but only to the extent that they should be used as a guide in how to improve yourself in your own life. On this subject of standardisation or collectivism consider our education system, a subject at the door of which many lay the blame for our decline. Has not standardisation of education stamped out individualism, thus defeating the entire process of education, leveling it down, rather than raising it up? ‘We’ must all be the same is the mantra of our political elite where every aspect of our lives is concerned, but as Ayn Rand wrote in “Anthem”:

“The word “We” is as lime poured over men, which sets and hardens to stone, and crushes all beneath it, and that which is white and that which is black are lost equally in the grey of it. It is the word by which the depraved steal the virtue of the good, by which the weak steal the might of the strong, by which the fools steal the wisdom of the sages.”

Thus have the people been conditioned, by the state, to the idea that the state is the provider of all things necessary, with the state thus conveniently neglecting that they should be the enabler of all things. As a result people then become enslaved where their lives are concerned as they thus allow others to do for them that which they should be doing for themselves.  The state being allowed to act as sole provider can but result in the bondage of people forever and the people will have given away their identity for what is a paltry price. With the continuation of the people accepting this state of affairs, eventually they will achieve the status of slave – if they have not done so already – and no-one but themselves will have made that so. Unlike those of a similar era to myself, the younger generation, born and reared under the present system of state provision (dictatorial control), do not seem to be able to understand the older generation’s desire for the restoration of freedoms lost. This is, to a certain extent, understandable as what do those who have never known freedom know about freedom?

Within the blogosphere there are those who when writing about politicians and the people – and the need for a change of the status quo – are prone to making the point that there are 650 of ‘them’ and 60 million of ‘us’ –  were it so, as at the end of the 3rd quarter of 2011 can be added to the 650 almost another 6 million in the public sector. That is not to say the aims of the Old Swan Manifesto face an unenviable task because as Richard North wrote, when discussing the outcome of the Bradford East by-election, 18,000 people said ‘No’ to the political class and there are many millions more who can say the same – to which I would add: or will do when, having been educated by the political class, they are re-educated by the Old Swan Manifesto.

 

Oh what a tangled ‘Webb’ we weave……

……when first we practice to deceive.

The United Kingdom Independence Party (Ukip) would have the electorate believe that they are the fourth ‘major party’ in UK politics –  in one opinion poll they appear to have managed a showing of 11%, a percentage on an equal footing with the LibDems – and that only they can cure the nation’s ills. One of the complaints among the public, it would seem, is for truth and honesty in politics. It will not do Ukip’s chances in the London Mayoral election much good if Londoners read the coruscating analysis of their manifesto by FactCheck .

We all know political manifestos are works of fiction and bear no relation to truth – but hell, surely there are limits? Just who in Ukip approved this work of fiction? Just who in Ukip had not the ‘nous’ to realise that what their manifesto contained was incorrect – sorry, silly question!

It has to be said that he who leads Ukip – and those others who form the group in Ukip that believe they are ‘in charge’ – need to return to the drawing board, including, perhaps, to legislative school?

The mind can but boggle at such ineptitude, but then we all know ineptitude would appear to be the prime qualification for those in politics – in which case those in Ukip should fit in nicely!

Just saying………………….

Afterthought: That will probably cost me a few Ukip followers – but then, unlike some, I do not blog for ‘popularity’!

Update: Helen, Your Freedom and Ours, nails it!

 

 

Tax Returns

It appears that politicians publishing their tax returns is a means whereby they can  demonstrate their openness/honesty/transparency, at least if George Osborne and Vince Cable are to be believed. John Redwood and Nigel Farage are against the idea, it would seem.

On the basis that politics – and every aspect associated with it – has sunk to such a nadir that anyone with any sense disbelieves anything that a politician says or writes, why should we believe something like a copy of their tax return?

Just asking…………………

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