A repost from a fellow blogger

‘Nicked from A K Haart, comes the following:

“Older people live in the past in that we have long memories and in many cases our best years are behind us.Yet we have one important social advantage – we know where the bodies are buried.

I mean in a social and political sense of course.We remember the political blunders of the past, the silly government promises which failed to deliver. The mistakes we are doomed to repeat because those in charge weren’t around to see why their brilliant new wheeze isn’t brilliant or new, is wheezing from the off and didn’t work the last time it was tried.We know why we are where we are.

I think that’s why many of us look on with contempt at senior politicians in their early forties or younger (Chloe Smith? – Ed.) who haven’t seen enough of life to be moulded by it. So often they haven’t troubled themselves about experience, but took hold of the greasy pole as callow youths and never let go.
Now they have squirmed their way to the top and life is a breeze as long as they don’t look down and always have an answer drawn from the spin-doctor’s doctrines rather than something more durable. Such as personal experience. There isn’t much of that to be had on the pole.
Yet as older people see the cycles and realise that these things must wend their weary way through their inevitable phases, I think we also grow less concerned about the chimera of collective self-determination.
Because in the long run there is no collective self-determination, only self-determination which has to pick up the pieces each time the collective illusions fall apart as we slide down to the inevitable trough, wondering how bad it will be this time around.”
It is of interest that opinion poll after opinion poll shows that the greater support for Ukip lies in the 60+ group and the lowest level of support lies with the 18-24 group (per Mike Smithson, anyway). To quote AKH: “…we know where the bodies are buried. I mean in a social and political sense of course. We remember the political blunders of the past, the silly government promises which failed to deliver. The mistakes we are doomed to repeat because those in charge weren’t around to see why their brilliant new wheeze isn’t brilliant or new, is wheezing from the off and didn’t work the last time it was tried.” If those of us 60+ plus know this – and it is a ‘given’ – then why have not Ukip attempted to educate those in the younger voting groups of such knowledge? Ukip have without doubt tried – some would say; and some would say not – but I would suggest their ‘message’ is unheard because they have not found the right combination of words.

With ‘matters EU’ becoming even more ‘mainstream’ by the day, should not Ukip be polling in the 20s/30s – rather than struggling to reach double figures? Why is Ukip not turning Cameron’s “Big Society” argument back on him? All things considered, with the public becoming more and more aware of the defects of EU membership, are not those agin said membership a “Big Society”? There is another aspect to the question of Ukip’s lack of ‘general support’ and it relates to the younger generation. Those that follow Ukip – read the website, the tweets, the announcements by ‘Young Independence’ (the under 35 section of Ukip) – they are informed that the ‘younger generation’ is a vibrant and growing division – so why is this not reflected in the opinion polls?

A final thought: with the Lib/Lab/Con consensus for maintaining EU membership incorporating the continuation of subservience of our country, the continuation of loss of sovereignty; and the only party that is offering an alternative cannot get it’s strategy or message ‘right’, then UK plc is doomed. Having said that, if ‘Harrogate’ can agree a strategy for the future then Ukip may well find itself relegated to fourth or fifth in the rankings, instead of the ‘faux’ third place they claim…….

Just a thought………. (again)

 


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9 Responses

  1. Sean O'Hare says:

    if ‘Harrogate’ can agree a strategy for the future then Ukip may well find itself relegated to fourth or fifth in the rankings.

    David as you know I am a fairly recent UKIP recruit, but even so have formed the opinion that they really are doing all they can to make everyone aware of the dangers of continuing membership of the EU. Your comment regarding ‘Harrogate’ suggests that you and other attendees may be contemplating launching a new party. If you do I wish you all well, but would humbly suggest that while the term ‘Direct Democracy’ may mean something to people, that cannot be said of ‘Referism’. Although I regularly read EU_Referendum and thought I had a grasp of what ‘Referism’ meant when it was first mentioned, it means absolutely nothing to me now – and I am a political animal. I think you would have a mountain to climb while UKIP have at least reached base camp.

    • david says:

      I think I can safely say that the one thing Harrogate is not intending to do is create another political party – it is the intention of Harrogate to ‘start’a movement for change.

      Ukip have not even reached ‘first base’ – they have no ‘local’ organisation and those responsible for creating that local organisation haven’t a clue how to go about it (Ramsey and Aylesbury are the exceptions). If you have no local organisation, you have no ‘base camp’.

      Referism is basically the requirement of those in power to ask those of the public: “May We” do so and so. Is not that what Direct Democracy requires – there is, in my view, little difference twixt the two.

      If Ukip had done all they could to make people aware of the dangers of EU membership then they would not be struggling to break into double figures in the opinion polls, would they? In which case it can be held that Ukip have failed.

      Don’t misunderstand S O’H, come a general election, EU elections, referendum, I would vote for them – I just hope twixt now and then that they have got their act together!

      • Sean O'Hare says:

        Who then will relagate UKIP to fourth or fifth?

        With regard to local organisation, here we have a N Wilts/Chippenham branch, but as far as I can tell their activities (such as they are), are not organised either regionally or centrally. I had intended to get more involved, but I am not really sure that I have the right skills to do much about it. I may just offer to do something about the branch website though, which is not maintainted and is truly awful http://www.ukipnorthwilts.webs.com/

        Sigh!

        • david says:

          Who then will relegate Ukip to fourth of fifth? The people who join the movement.

          “….N Wilts/Chippenham branch, but as far as I can tell their activities (such as they are), are not organised either regionally or centrally…”

          Exactly – see what I mean?

          • Sean O'Hare says:

            I do understand your point of view, but I still think that UKIP is worth supporting. Do I take it Harrogaters will all stand as independent candidates at elections? Otherwise I still don’t understand how you can relegate UKIP.

            • david says:

              And I would, at present, support Ukip at the ballot box – for now, anyway…….

              As I said previously, to my knowledge it is not the intention to create another political party comprising those who attend Harrogate. Were a party to be formed encapsulating the ideals of Harrogate, then that is an entirely different matter.

              Were that to happen, assuming the public have become re-educated, then Ukip may well find itself overtaken.

  2. The thing with UKIP is that if ever there was a time they should be making headway naturally it is now and may well have been for at least a year.

    It therefore begs the question of why they are failing to make that headway. Sean, your comment about your local website sheds light on that problem in an albeit small way. In part it points to an organisation that has no obvious plan to capitalise on the turmoil which is a shame.

    UKIP or any other honest party need to get down to a level of understanding that resonates with the British People. They should start with something a la Malcolm X’s speech which may well have included the phrase “You’ve been had! You’ve Been Duped! You’ve Been Hoodwinked” and then go on to tell them precisely how whatever colour their rosette, they’ve taken you to the cleaners for their own personal gain.

    Just my two penneth.

    • Sean O'Hare says:

      Thanks RB,

      I agree that UKIP are failing to make the headway that they should be making and need to make if we are ever to extricate ourselves from the clutches of the EU. It is also true that this is in part (20%-30%) due to UKIP’s poor organisation. The rest, though is down to the apathetic nature of the majority UK population. It seems that nothing can awake them from their torpor apart from TV soaps and noises from Playstations. Even if there were a Malcolm-X character, or someone else better than Farage at making the right noises I don’t think UKIP would be that much further ahead in the polls. All very depressing really!

    • david says:

      Exactly, RB – which is what I have been banging on about for yonks!

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