A Faragian pact

According to Dan Hodges, writing in the Daily Telegraph, Ukip are preparing to offer Tory MPs a Faragian pact at the next election, with the smaller party reportedly ready to stand down candidates against those embracing its slightly eccentric brand of Eurosceptic nationalism. At the last general election Ukip did indeed not stand candidates in certain constituencies, a decision which caused a sizeable number in the party to become extremely unhappy bunnies.

It may be that I exhibit the traits required in a politician by appearing a tad thick but, presuming that this “offer” is true, I fail to understand just what Farage hopes to gain. Just what is to stop any Conservative candidate making the sort of noise that pleases Farage, who then ‘stands-down’ his candidate, only for said Conservative candidate to turn round when elected and, in effect, stick his tongue out?

A number of decisions that Farage has made in the past have been questionable and this latest is no different – mind you, for a party that totally ‘cocked-up’ its campaign during the London Mayoral election this year, this latest does but join what is quite a long list of what may, in polite circles, be called a gaffe Gaffarage. Ukip are only polling an average of 9% at the moment, meaning the party is approximately 20% short of attaining one or more MPs and if the Buckingham campaign is any yardstick Ukip could poll 30% and still not get a single MP.

It may well be that I am totally wrong – but I would ask any of my readers: who among you is blessed with the ability to understand the logic of any decision made by a politician – because I am buggered if I can.

Just asking…………..


14 Responses

  1. Graham Eardley says:

    David, first of all the I understand the name change in London was I understand a decision taken by the local London Party not Nigel Frage.
    To get back to your main point I can understand the argument about disenfranchisement of people not being able to vote UKIP and I would agree that UKIP must make sure that any MP UKIP doesn’t stand against must have called for the UK’s full withdrawal from the EU. This has not always been the case! But to stand against say Mark Reckless or Philip Davies or Duncan Carswell is in my humble opinion counter productive and a waiste of resources,

  2. Desperate Den says:

    Nigel Farage in my view – whilst able to indulge in mildly entertaining rhetoric as he ‘puts it to them’ in the EU parliament – does not have the charisma to lead a viable opposition to the status-quo or, indeed, the exposure to draw interest from a sufficient number of voters across the country to get UKIP firmly on the electoral map.

    Too much time spent in Europe I would say – the battleground lies at Westminster not within the EU.

    • david says:

      Agree with your first paragraph. Most definitely agree with your last ssentence of second paragraph!

  3. Peter C says:

    This is not actually new, I am sure he made that offer before the last election if not the one before. Indeed my memory tells me that some UKIP candidates were actually withdrawn, or not confirmed would perhaps be more accurate, at some point.

    I don’t know if there is any kind of proper strategy behind this idea, perhaps a melange of not having the costs of fielding a full raft of candidates while still able to claim they are doing so, with perhaps the hope of making the EU a policy point in at least some constituencies, bouncing the Tories or at least some candidates into adopting a more direct position on the EU and so on.

    Pretty much futile stabbing in the dark as I see it.

    Still the signs are that Eurogeddon is fast approaching in the guise of Spain, I truly doubt that a huge ‘pop’ can be held at bay any more, a few months perhaps at the cost of completely emptying the ECB if Merkel’s fiscal pact survives to see the light of day, it certainly doesn’t offer a ‘cure’, anly another can-kicking opportunity. The question now is what happens then? Final Federation? At least we would then have to have a referendum one supposes. Euro meltdown? Probably the most likely with either a return to national currencies or different Euro blocs and lots and lots of financial and social turmoil the likes of which have not been seen since the aftermath of WW2. Dissolution of the EU? There is no way it would or even could go quietly, there are simply too many intertwined tentacles throughout European governance, too many interdependencies not to mention the €120 billion A YEAR euro-redistribution from the northern states, that is an awful lot of infrastructure projects and farm subsidies that suddenly wouldn’t be funded any more just for starters.

    There is no good result to come whatever happens. Likely the best we could expect would be the rise of authoritarian police states, if not outright dictatorships, all across Europe, even here in the UK although it would arise within the existing political class given their ability to stick even better than sh!t to a blanket. More likely these new governments would be highly nationalist and rightist/fascist rather than leftist/socialist but no doubt both would be well represented. Dangerous times, especially for the politicians that have brought us there, nor should they be allowed to escape unscathed, hanging would be too kind.

  4. david says:

    Re your first para: I believe I said just that?

    Other than that point, you post a good comment with pertinent points and can but agree.

    • Peter C says:

      Indeed you did! I was actually responding to the article you linked to rather than your comment, which is why we said the same thing, I suppose.

      Of course I could say that I meant to begin ‘I too am sure’ not ‘I am sure’ which would have been simple agreement, who knows, maybe I did.

  5. john in cheshire says:

    I like Mr Farage’s outbursts; they are both informative and entertaining. But, in my opinion, this role should be reserved for either the second in command, or even someone on the next tier of authority down. Because the leader must always be seen to be impartial and to have the ability to restrain the attack dogs. It’s not possible to be both the leader and the upsetter of the enemy’s representatives. Therefore, I’d suggest that Mr Farage needs to examine which role he would prefer to perform. He’s good as attack dog. Perhaps he should stick with that and allow someone else to be the leader? As you say, WfW, just askin’.

  6. david says:

    Ah, but you miss one important point – Farage is Ukip and Ukip is Farage, at least I believe that is how he views matters. (think back to Lord Pearson?)

    It also begs the question that (a) if they had some media expertise and media coverage, (b) trained the likes of Gerard Batten and others how to use the media – they might start getting somewhere.

    Assuming of course they sort out their administration, party, etc……

    • john in cheshire says:

      David, then the party needs to grow a pair and start to flex its collective muscle. I’m a member of UKIP, but a passive member; I haven’t the time or the energy to do more. It needs young people with lots of surplus energy to do the hard work, with the older, more experienced members to do the planning. Easy to say, of course.

      • david says:

        Afraid you have that the wrong way round. It is the older who need to work harder and the younger who should be doing the planning!

        If only……..

    • Eddy says:

      “Farage is Ukip and Ukip is Farage”
      And that is a huge problem. Right now UKIP is not punching anywhere near its actual political weight. The recent local election results were dire. Mr North suggested that Farage would make an excellent NCO but a lousy officer and you need an officer (manager) running things. Right now I think UKIP is more of a problem than a help for the eurosceptic cause. Tis all very depressing.

  7. The question was always how could you trust those claiming to be true democratic sovereigntists (and who would therefore qualify to be immune from a UKIP candidate standing against them). That is why we launched the British Declaration of Independence in 1999 and caused considerable uproar in the major parties in the generral election of 2001. The BDI committed signatories of the three major parties to putting a specific Bill before Parliament and voting for it as soon as a majority was likely. The wording of the Bill (and the BDI itself) was powerful and such a Bill if passed would have secured immediate withdrawal from the EU.

    UKIP refused to co-operate.

    • david says:

      It is indeed a great pleasure to see you here!

      As I see it, the problem with Ukip is that offered above, namely that Farage is Ukip and Ukip is Farage – and he is determined that it will remain so.

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